In my discussion with Ben Simpson on what a Biblical church would look like, I mentioned that the Biblical model would be a theocratic commune. Will asked that I go into more detail on that.
When I say theocratic commune, I’m capturing two independent things: theocracy and communism. The first government that God created was a theocracy. He chose Moses as the leader of His people. Moses, apparently with God’s approval, took Jethro’s advice to create a hierarchical theocracy where the the various levels of the hierarchy were directly chosen by God’s appointed, Moses (Ex 18). When Moses died, he was replaced by his chosen successor, Joshua. Again, this appears to be within God’s intent. So we here we have what appears to be God’s model: a single individual, picked by God, leads God’s people and selects his subordinates and successor.
After the death of Joshua, the Israelites fell away from God, but we get to see God repeat Himself by selecting Judges to lead the people. In some cases the people do not follow the Judges, but God’s intent seems clear: He will select the initial leader for His people, and if possible that leader will select a successor. (The hand-picking by God can also be seen in the Kings, but I won’t belabor the point.)
This is picked up in Acts and the early Church. The key to authority was your theological lineage. I was taught by someone who was taught by Peter who was taught by Christ, therefore my words have more authority than someone who was taught more indirectly. Whether you accept Apostolic Succession or not, this is a key point. The early Church only accepted the various witnesses because they could claim a lineage back to an eyewitness, and even most Protestant churches rely on this claim (see Reinventing Jesus for a modern apologetic example, and my bookshelf for a short review of it). While Paul is a rather startling exception to this rule, he was clearly accepted as an true eyewitness to the post-resurrection Christ, and as the primary evangelist to the Gentiles, one can see him as becoming the new prime-locus rather than the Apostles (this can be seen in the Paul-centricity of the New Testament outside the Gospels, including the later parts of Acts).
In any case this wild tangent is primarily intended to point to the continuation by the early Church of God’s “I pick the first leader, then he will pick his successor if all goes well” model. This is roughly the model that the Roman Catholic and Orthodox Churches follow, with a claimed lineage back to Peter, and seems the most consistent with God’s previous systems (though a more Biblical system might have the Pope rather than the Cardinals choose the next Pope, at least in the Roman Catholic case). I’m not going to get into the question here of whether the Latin or Eastern Church has greater claim to this legacy. My point is their ongoing mechanism for choosing their leadership, not whether they have done so accurately at each stage.
As a small side note, it’s worth mentioning that the Church in Acts also had a mechanism for determining the will of God when it was not clear. They cast lots (Acts 1:26). Casting of lots is a long-used practice for divining the will of God in the Old Testament. So it’s no surprise that this would be part of the decision making process for the Biblical Church.
So that’s Theocracy more or less, and it’s what the Bible prescribes for God’s people. Let’s look at Lukean (Book of Acts) communism for a moment. It’s hard to be more clear than Acts 4:32-34:
32 All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of his possessions was his own, but they shared everything they had. 33 With great power the apostles continued to testify to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and much grace was upon them all. 34 There were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned lands or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales 35 and put it at the apostles’ feet, and it was distributed to anyone as he had need.
Acts 5 is even more explicit and includes the death to those who would hold back money from the Church/commune. Yes, I know of the interpreters that say it was because Ananias lied, not because he held back the money, but I think this is a purposeful misreading of the text. The only reason Ananias lied is because the expected behavior was to give all of your money to the Church (4:32, 5:4). The point is that once Ananias had “disposal” of the money, he was wrong to keep it for himself. Only when it was locked up in land was it considered apart from the Church’s assets.
Other verses are important here, such as 2 Thess 3:10 (“If a man will not work, he shall not eat”), and Acts 6:1-4 which explains how to set up Deacons (those who would take care of the day-to-day running of the Church). But really, Acts 4-5 lays out unambiguously what a proper Church should look like, and that is as a commune.

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July 18, 2008 at 5:01 pm
Steve Dunn
It’s funny that you posted that today. I just saw that TED released a video by a guy that talks about living biblically for a year.
http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/a_j_jacobs_year_of_living_biblically.html
July 19, 2008 at 2:08 pm
Will
Thank you for your response to my comment on Ben’s site. You have thought this out well. Whilst I believe you are on to something, I still wonder how hard it is to practice. Then again, it’s much harder to explore in a comment! I hopefully will be able to come back to this.
I do find it interesting that you believe Annanias’s real sin was holding it back. I see your point, but still believe that lying was the cause. I am still unsure about the top-down quality of the ecclesiology you build. It is certainly there in Moses and the OT. Lots seemed to stop after Pentecost (but arguments based on absence are weak!). I want to say that God’s Spirit moved in the community, allowing the church to be partners. This is why I see the main problem as lying: open honesty is what is needed in such a church. I’m trying to be brief and again likely need to think this through.
Have you read Michael Spencer (the Internet Monk)? He has written a post on ‘
When Jesus Won’t Go Along for the Ride‘. Especially in the comments there are discussions that seem to touch on what we’re talking about.
July 20, 2008 at 6:47 pm
pantheophany
Steve,
Yeah I read Jacobs’ book, but I haven’t seen his TED talk. It’s a fun book, and has some good insights. It’s unlikely to change any minds or hearts, but it’s an entertaining tour through some of the odder rules in the Bible. For someone who’s really interested in this stuff, I recommend reading the context around the verses Jacobs quotes. It’s not that he quotes out of context (he doesn’t); it’s just good practice for anyone who wants to understand what the Bible actually says.
July 20, 2008 at 7:31 pm
pantheophany
Will,
I believe this is, to use a political metaphor, the question of whether the Senator was impeached because he embezzled or because he lied about the embezzlement. He wouldn’t be keeping his job if he admitted to embezzling either.
The key point is whether it would have been acceptable for Annanias to have sold the property and openly given only a portion of the proceeds to the Apostles. I believe verses 4:32 and 5:4 show that this would not be the case. Note that Annanias never says anything about how much he was giving. He put money at the Apostles’ feet and was immediately accused of holding out. Imagine this in a modern church. I sell some stocks and bring the proceeds to the church. The pastor’s first question is “is this all you got from the sale?” We would be shocked at such a brazen question, but clearly it was the expectation of the church of Acts.
I look forward to your thoughts on it when you can write more at length.
As far as Michael Spencer’s post, it’s very interesting and I’ll need to study the long thread further. My general problem with any kind of “emergent” church is that, by giving up even the illusion of an unbroken line back to the original eyewitnesses, what reason can they have for even being Christian? If you do not accept the institutions that collected and transmitted the Bible and the Gospel (“Good News”), how does Jesus show up in the picture? A common theme is to return to the Bible, but the Bible was collected by exactly the institution that is being rejected. It is like saying that you are a Muslim, but that Mohammed wasn’t a true prophet; what would that even mean? To me this takes the fantastical truth claims made by the “institutional churches” and raises them to credulity.
A return to a Lukean (Acts) church, or even attempting to model some other early Church (say up to the fourth or fifth century) might make sense (suggesting that the Church took a wrong turn at some point and we’re going back to that. But trying to skip even further back than the Church of Acts, and going “straight to Jesus” makes no sense. The only reason we know the little bit we do about Jesus’ life is because of what the early Church transmitted to us.
July 24, 2008 at 10:14 am
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July 24, 2008 at 11:14 am
thenonconformer
>> In any case this wild tangent is primarily intended to point to the continuation by the early Church of God’s “I pick the first leader, then he will pick his successor if all goes well” model. This is roughly the model that the Roman Catholic and Orthodox Churches follow, with a claimed lineage back to Peter, and seems the most consistent with God’s previous systems (though a more Biblical system might have the Pope rather than the Cardinals choose the next Pope, at least in the Roman Catholic case).
Sounds more like the Old boys club with their own false delusions of grander, self importance too.. As far as the Historical Church, argument there is only one, that of the lord Jesus Christ, the Same yesterday, today and forever, and he has no apostolic successors even.. his chosen persons, they are all personally chosen slaves, obedient servants only. Christ is the sole head of the church, the same Jesus that is alive Yesterday, today and forever, . . Most people are not being fooled by the old boys historic argument approach and to me sounds more like immorality, empire building, false pride, job preservation approach.. I too am more impressed by the pastors as to what good they really do, as how many people they pray for and how much of the Bible they practice over what they claim they know or what earthly big wig had approved them..
Now I Know for certainty and not by my own initial choice that next I was called, gifted equipped by God to Pastor, to the nation of Canada. I know even the exact time and place now too where this happened , and subsequently elders of the Christian Church had laid hands on me too, anointed and prayed for my Ministry, and I have been a pastor even for decades too, I do home, hospital visitations too, community relationships, and many persons receive my messages as from God.. all undeniably too. When I had pastored my own church I asked God what should I call it, and he replied the Church of Christ of Calgary.. I had stated to God many objections as to why I could not pastor next for him, and he replied if gays can be church pastors now so can you..
it was not relevant that God calls now pastors only within the historic, established Christian Churches, Christian community of which I am part of anyway. I definitely belong to the Body of Jesus Christ. God called Apostle Paul and he was not part of the historic community church when he, Saul was called, and who did he give accountability to ? to God directly.
Contrary to what some try to falsely advocate God can and does call anyone he chooses, even outside of the church, and he specifically calls all his true pastor to pastor any Christian church in the same way that he had called the 12 apostles for a start , or Abraham, Moses..
But today many or most people in the ministry are not called by God, they are hirelings, false teachers, false preachers, false pastors, for they had selected the ministry on their own without God, and they are doing their own thing, they are false, counterfeits. church,.
God even further imparts spiritual gifts to these true anointed, called persons by the laying of hands by other anointed God called persons now too in his Church of today. Such is the Holy spirit reality.. not bound by your limitations, non related verses, your views, interpretations and certainly not God’s
Now as to what you defined a historical church, like the bad Anglican that in rubbish ordains now gay priests.. or as Catholic Church were gay priests abuse others this is still totally demonic.. or the evangelical pastors who too often steal the monies too.
(1 Cor 9:27 KJV) But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway. Even an apostle facing the reality of being a castaway too… http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/07/22/false/
(Micah 3:6 KJV) Therefore night shall be unto you, that ye shall not have a vision; and it shall be dark unto you, that ye shall not divine; and the sun shall go down over the prophets, and the day shall be dark over them. 7 Then shall the seers be ashamed, and the diviners confounded: yea, they shall all cover their lips; for there is no answer of God. 8 But truly I am full of power by the spirit of the LORD, and of judgment, and of might, to declare unto Jacob his transgression, and to Israel his sin.
http://groups.msn.com/AFOLLOWEROFCHRIST
PS: Foolish men from too often cemeteries too try to say that when the Greek comes, it will guide and lead you into all truth.. try the term Holy Sprit, a person , he will guide the true Christian believers into all truth.. even if they do not know the Greek.. and they can also next still today even pray, speak in tongues, in a language they have not learned… he will also lead, instruct them what to say to others.. not solely the Greek..
(Job 5:13 KJV) He taketh the wise in their own craftiness: and the counsel of the froward is carried headlong.
It was even the Historic Jewish establishment the had even rejected and crucified next their own messiah, Jesus Christ like it seems the Anglican , catholic. rather many churches are also doing these days
Establishing the Biblical church.. following the New Testament pattern in the book of Acts.. one of my favorite topics.. it cannot be done! Not without having the people, elders, pastors in the church first filled with, Baptized the Holy Spirit, and next also helping the poor people in their own church, instead of robbing, stealing from them..
http://pbulow.tripod.com/pastors.html